The Cooper Point Journal Volume 2, Number 10 (November 30, 1973)

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Title: Eng The Cooper Point Journal Volume 2, Number 10 (November 30, 1973)
Date: 30 November 1973
Evergreen Subject: Student Organizing and Activism; Environmental Studies; Food and Dining on Campus
Description: Eng Page 1: Cooper Point Journal (front page) -- getting an interview with Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. by Knute Olsson H.G.S. Berger and Tom Lenon -- see pages 8, 9;
Page 2: Staff Credits;
Page 2: Table of Contents;
Page 3: Immediate actions taken due to fuel shortage;
Page 3: Trustees eliminate parking fees;
Page 3: assault suspect held;
Page 4: (photograph) [2 adults and 2 children swimming in the Puget Sound];
Page 4: Letters to the Editor: saving Mt. Mckinley;
Page 4: Letters to the Editor: Trident decried;
Page 5: Letters to the Editor: Kennedy defended;
Page 5: Letters to the Editor: Stone cleverness criticized;
Page 5: Letters to the Editor: crying wolf;
Page 5: Letters to the Editor: Evergreen State College troubles;
Page 6: (advertisement) Adult Student Housing (ASH);
Page 6: (advertisement) SAGA [Food Services]: Mother's Oats;
Page 6: (advertisement) good tune-ups;
Page 6: (advertisement) The Tape Dock;
Page 6: (advertisement) La Tierra;
Page 6: (advertisement) Dirty Dave's Gay 90's;
Page 6: (advertisement) ROBCO'S;
Page 6: (advertisement) Rainy Day Record Co.;
Page 6: (advertisement) Word of Mouth Books;
Page 7: Briefly Campus news;
Page 7: (advertisement) The Asterisk Wine & Cheese Library;
Page 7: (advertisement) Cooper Point Journal;
Page 7: (advertisement) Johan's Whale;
Page 8-9: Midnight conversations: getting an interview with kurt vonnegut, jr.;
Page 10: Editorial: Saving energy sensibly;
Page 10: Jill Fleming: Put trains on the right track;
Page 10: E.L.S. on stock;
Page 11: Cooper Point: planning for the future;
Page 12-13: Radio at Evergreen: KAOS expands, Moving Towards 'real radio';
Page 13: Breaking into radio; a true story;
Page 14: nw culture;
Page 14: CBS 'Cry Rape!' disappointing;
Page 15: (advertisement) Evergreen State College Housing;
Page 15: (advertisement) The Mad Shop;
Page 15: (advertisement) Episcopal Church services: St.Johns & St. Christopher's ;
Page 16: (advertisement) Food Service
Creator: Eng Berger, Knute Olsson H.G.S.; Eng Lenon, Tom; Eng Layton, Leslie; Eng Shawver, Debbi; Eng Frankfourth, Debbie; Eng Kessler, Alan; Eng Meserve, Chris; Eng Shore, Stan; Eng Roberson, Roger; Eng Hastings, John Jacob; Eng Fleming, Jill; Eng Hogan, Kevin; Eng Frankforth, Dee; Eng Darst, Hal
Contributor: Eng Fleming, Jill; Eng Praggastis, John; Eng Stone, Eric L.; Eng Hunt, Colleen; Eng Plautz, Gary; Eng Murphy, Brian; Eng Shawver, Debby; Eng Hauser, Chuck; Eng Hogan, Kevin; Eng Holt, Cathy; Eng Kono, Leo Y.; Eng Layton, Leslie; Eng Galbreath, Patsy
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Extent: Eng 16 pages
Temporal Coverage: Eng 1964/1971/1973
extracted text: THE EVERGREEN STATE COLLEGE

NON·PROFIT ORGANIZATION

OLVM·co·oper p.oint ·
Volume 2, Number 10

November 30, 1973

by Knute Olsson
H.G.S. Berger
and Tom Lenon
see pages 8, 9

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cooper P,Otnt
The Cooper Point Journal is
published hebdomadally by
the Publications Board and
the Evergreen community.
Views expressed are not necessarily those of The Evergreen State College administration. The Journal newsroom is room 103 in the
Campus Activities Building,
phone (206) 866-6213. The
Business office is in room
3120, Daniel J. Evans Library, phone (206) 866-6080.
We welcome Letters to the
Editor, but we can't always
print all of them. Your letter
will have the best chance of
getting printed if it is brought
in on Monday or Tuesday, and
if it is typed and double
spaced.

CONTENTS
NE\1\/S ..................................... . 3
LETTERS .................................. 4, 5

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NEWS BRIEFS ............................... 7
INTERVIEW WITH
KURTVONNEGUT JR . ..................... . 8, 9
EDITORIAL/COLUMNS ...................... 10
COOPER POINT ASSOCIATION .............. . 11
KAOS ................................... 12, 13
NW CULTURE ............................. . 14

STAFF

Editor - Jill Fleming; Business Manager - John Praggastis; Editorial Editor Eric L. Stone; Assistant Editor - Colleen Hunt; Entertainment Editor - Gary
Plautz; Staff Writers- Brian
Murphy, Debby Shawver;
Staff - John Enlow, Churk
Hauser, Kevin Hogan, Cathy
Holt, Leo Y. Kono, Leslie
Layton; Photography- Patsy
Galbreath.

COVER DRAWING BY THOMAS 'TOMMY' LENON

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Immediate actions taken
due to fuel shortage
by Leslie Layton
The nation's deepening
winter fuel supply crisis has
struck Evergreen. Energy
conservation measures are
being implemented immediately to prevent any crucial
interruption of college operations that might occur.
Suppliers of natural gas are
contemplating curtailing
Evergreen's heating fuel on
either an "every other week
basis" or in a large time block.
"Last year our supply of
natural gas was interrupted
for 25 days, but then there
was no shortage of oil,"
Administrative Vice President Dean Clabaugh noted . .
Due to the severe shortage of
oil this year heating demands
must be cut as much as possible.
Evergreen is trying to
prepare itself for a possible 60
day interruption of its natural
gas supply, and is being
forced to switch to oil as its
primary heating source. Steps
are being taken to keep the
institution operational and to
avoid interruptions in programs and consequent loss of
employee work time.
One of the first measures
has been to discontinue
heating the swimming pool.
Although during the week
temperatures have ranged
from 80 to 83 degrees, it is
being shut down today to
prevent accidents that could
occur at lower temperatures.
It will be out of use until at
least Jan. 2, when the fuel
situation will be evaluated
and a decision will be made
about the swimming pool.
Early closure of the Recreation Center, Lecture Hall
Building, office wing of the
Laboratory Building, and "A"
wing of the library building
may occur throughout winter
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sure of the College Activities
Building (perhaps 6 p.m.)
between now and the end of
fall quarter is being considered.
Other measures to curtail
usage of fuel will take place
during the break between fall
and winter quarters. There
will be a complete closure of
the Recreation Center. Lee-

ture Hall Building, and the
laboratory wing of the lab
building. The library and CAB
will operate from 8 am. to 5:30
p.m. week days. Students
spending the holiday period
on campus will be asked to
turn down thermostats, and
college facilities officials will
· check unoccupied rooms during the break to be sure all

thermostats are turned down.
At a meeting last Wednesday of Recreation Center
staff, plans were worked out
for those employees, such as
pool lifeguards, whoose jobs
are being affected by the fuel
shortage. They will probably
be able to continue working at
other times until the situation
becomes less crucial.

Trustees eliminate

parking fees
by Debbie Shawver

The Evergreen State College Board of Trustees held a
public hearing on November
15 concerning the reinstatement of parking fees, and
voted to adopt the elimination
of the fees on a permanent
basis.
In September the board
passed an emergency vote to
eliminate the fees because
they thought that it would improve public relations with
community visitors. Under
the Washington Administrator's Code, the board was required to hold a public hearing
within 90 days of their emer-

gency vote.
Several people at the meeting asked that the fees be reinstated for ecological reasons. Faculty member Richard Cellarius appealed for stiff
parking fees in order to discourage excessive automobile
usage, which would cut down
on gasoline consumption and
reduce pollution output.
Cellarius roughly estimated
that, assuming there are approximately 200 cars in Evergreen parking lots daily, the
cars probably consume about
24,000 gallons of gasoline commuting to Evergreen during
three academic quarters. This
is enough gas for the Evergreen bus to make twenty

Assault suspect held
Ward Weaver, the man
susoeeted as responsibile for
several assaults in the
Olympia area, including one
on the Evergreen campus,
plans to plead not guilty due
to insanity, according to the
Thu'r"!'an County Assistant
Pro~.~J\8' Attorney.
Weaver is charged with
seven counts of assault, two
counts of indecent exposure,
and one count of sodomy.

Authorities had no comment on whether or not they
have positive evidence linking
Weaver to an assault at the
Evergreen campus on November 1; however, Weaver has
been charged with that
assault.
Weaver, who is in his late
twenties, gave himself up to
Thurston County Sheriff's
officers on November 19.

round trips to Olympia each
day during the school year.
Cellarius suggested that future rates should be at least
one dollar per day, using the
revenue to upgrade the college bus system.
TESC student Greg Mitchel
also testified in favor of reinstating parking fees for ecology's sake. Mitchel suggested
a graduated fee system
whereby those cars having a
full load would be charged
little or nothing, and those
with only one person a higher
rate .
Cindy Swanberg, representing the Sierra Club, suggested that a comprehensive
study be made of the parking
lot situation in relation to the
Evergreen environment.
Although the Board of
Trustees voted to eliminate
parking fees, they also recommended that this type of
study be initiated. Any
changes in the fee policy
would not be operative until
next summer, however, according to Dean Clabaugh. If
the environmental study warrants a change in the policy,
another public hearing must
he held before the board can
revise their ruling.

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Saving Mt.
McKinley
To the Evergreen (.;ommumty;
Under the Alaska Native
Settlements Claims Act of
1971 (giving the Eskimos,
Aleuts, and Indians of Alaska
legal title to their aboriginal
land claims) the Federal Government is entitled to withdraw 80 million acres (of Alaska's 374 million) for inclusion
in public land holdings. Some
of these wild lands are being
recommended for protection
under the 1964 Wilderness
Act. One area of particular
importance is not.
The southern extension of
Mt. McKinley National Park
is being considered for development. It has been suggested that "easy access" be
provided to Mt. McKinley by
opening the Tokositna Valley
to hotel and tourist facilities.
The wild lands of Alaska
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have always been wild. The
area of Mt. McKinley is a diverse and undisturbed ecosystem. It supports animals little
tolerated by civilized man;
animals which disappear in
the wake of our developments: black bear, grizzly
bear, moose, wolf, and wolverine. The area is a major
range for caribou and a vital
nesting grounds for waterfowl
and sea birds.
The development of this
land would be far reaching,
the changes irreversible. Another piece of spectacular wilderness would be written off
to human "progress". The decision to develop would set
devastating precedence for
the remaining wild lands of
Alaska.
This issue is a national one,
it is not just for Alaskans to
decide. If you feel that this
area should not be opened to
development write to Secretary of the Interior Rogers
Morton. Implore him to allow
Mt. McKinley and its outlying
areas to remain wild by including the northern part and

TO
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EDITOR

the southern part of Mt .
McKinley Park in the National
Wilderness Preservation System.
Please note that time is of"
the essence and your letters
need to be sent soon so that
the Secretary will receive
them before he closes his consideration of Alaska lands on
December 18th.
the address:
Sec'ty. Rogers C.B.Morton
Department of the Interior
Washington, DC 20240
Dee Frankfourth, TESC alum
Eagle River, Alaska

Trident
decried
To the Editor:
It is extremely important
that we all know about the '
Trident submarine program
and the base which is · to be
built at Bangor here in Wash-

ington. For one thing the program could very easily turn
out to be an anathema to human existence. It increases
the maximum number of warheads in the U.S. arsenal by
1976, from 5,120 to 12,070.
This increase is due mainly to
the fact that Polaris/ Poseidon
subs carried 10 - 14 Multiple
Independently Targeted Reentry Vehicles (MIRV's) while
Trident subs will carry 24.
MIRV's make the likelihood of
successfully defending oneself
against a nuclear attack with
present defenses out of the
question. Therefore, panic
causing a preemptive attack is
far more likely. Furthermore,
Senators Cranston, Proxmire
and Hatfield estimate the cost
of the 30 Trident subs which
will be required to replace the
Polaris Poseidon fleet, at 39.5
billion dollars . If the F -111
and the average defense program in the past are at all
indicative this figure could
easily reach 50 billion dollars
over 10 years. This is not to
mention the tremendous costs
of maintaining a nuclear sub-

lleet.
The above reasons considred in the light of starving
·hildren , people rotting in
institutions, lack of money for
Pnough basic research on canl'er, energy utilization and a
host of other factors of extreme exigence made me glad
to see Gary Plautz's article on
the Trident program in the
last issue.
For citizens who are con<·erned about whether or not
humanity shall be destroyed
and where 50 billion urgently
needed dollars might go, I
refer them to an excellent objective analysis of the Trident
sub-program in the July 1972
issue of Scientific American
entitled "Antisubmarine Warfare and National Security".
Much information can also be
obtained from the Action
Committee Against the Trident Submarine (ACATS)
whose address is 1514 NE
45th St., Seattle, and the
phone number is 206-525-0270.
Although 15 billion dollars
have been authorized to begin
the program, all hope is not
lost. The Senate vote for
authorization was 49-47. As
you
remember
second
thoughts were had on the SST
which eventually killed the
program. More money needs
to be allocated in the future.
Therefore it is important that
both Sens. Jackson and Magnuson (who have supported
the program) know your
stand. You might also let
them know that the Navy has
yet to issue an environmental
impact statement, even
though the National Environmental Policy Act requires
that legislative proposals such
as that requesting funds for
the Bangor base be accompanied by such a statement.
Alan Kessler
Hal Darst

Kennedy
defended
To the Editor:'
Eric Stone's recent article
entitled "JFK: Ten Years

Later" leaves a great deal to
be desired as an honest appraisal of the Kennedy years.
As a recent CBS news special
(upon which Stone drew heavily - without acknowledgement - for his facts and analysis) pointed out, it is impossible and unnecessary for
us to separate the man from
the administration. The impact of the Kennedy Presidency cannot be explained
away with two columns of his
"bad" activities and a fiveline dismissal of the "new
mood".
John Kennedy ushered in
an era of idealism and hope
from which none of us have
escaped. Stone may laugh at
his "ask not what your country can do for you but what
you can do for your country,"
but thousands of young Americans joined the Peace Corps
and VISTA on the strength of
those words and the theme
they represented. Sure, Kennedy made some mistakes.
But the profound effect that
he had on all of us was not in
his death, but in the joyous
way he lived his life. If he did
nothing else, Kennedy showed
us what our collective spirit
could be - and he serves as a
constant reminder that it was
once possible to love a leader.

Laziness.
You know Eric, I don't want
to defend Kennedy, or Kesey
for that matter 'cause I was
stoned as hell when Kesey
was here, and maybe you
know more about Kennedy
than I do, but somehow I have
the feeling that you don't have
your head screwed on just
right when you make statements like: "sounding like an
acid-crazed commie" to describe Kesey or "John F. Kennedy was no great shakes as a
president".
The idiocy, superficiality,
and cleverness of your articles
are all right when you're talkin' about roller skating. But
some people, somewhere, respect Kesey (if for nothing
other than his writing of One
Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
and some people respect
Kennedy (for whatever reasons). As such, these men are
deserving of far more careful
and researched analysis than
your sit -down-at-the-typewriter- first-thing- that-comesto-your-head writing. If you
are unwilling or unable (for
whatever reasons) to give the
writing you do this type of
serious consideration you
should limit yourself to Roller
Rinks, where, frankly, few
people give a fuck what you
say.

Chris Meserve
Stan Shore

Ed. note - Eric L. Stone
has never seen the above
mentioned CBS news special.

Stone
cleverness
criticized
To the Editor (& Eric in
particular):
After reading through the
Cooper Point Journal last
week, I was a little weirdedout by Eric L. Stone's usual
assholishness and mused to a
friend that last week must
have been time to get back at
the K'.s: Kennedy, Kesey ...
Next week I assume he'll attempt to destroy the L's:
Leary, Law and Order and

Crying
wolf
To the community:
Screaming is a great way to
let off steam and be a real
animal. I think it's holier than
om. However, there's a problem with communication,
what with people being
assaulted right here at Evergreen.
Last night, dark and rainy,
I heard screams coming from
the woods near the dorms. I
first thought, "aw, it's someone itchy for a holler." But
then, more screams, so I went
looking to see what was the
matter. Three or four other
concerned men also were
there. After tromping around
in the woods a few minutes,

two kind women leaned from
their window and said thanks,
but it was nothing.
So, there were a few pissed
men and a couple apologetic
women this time. But you've
all heard the "Never Cry
Wolf' story. Still, screaming's
great, some of my best friends
scream. But perhaps if y'all
could scream like dogs or
sparrows or peanuts instead
of like people who need help,
it would keep the air clear.
Roger Roberson

TESC
troubles
To the Editor:
Currently, I am a student of
The Evergreen State College
on a leave of absence for fall
quarter. I came here recently
in order to tend to the usual
hassles of getting back to
school. When I left at the end
of last year, I was told, and in
fact, signed a paper which
stated I would be guaranteed
a place here upon my return.
The area of study which I
would like to pursue is that of
the social sciences.
I am now being told that
Evergreen is over-enrolled,
and all coordinated studies
programs and contracts which
deal with this particular field
of study are full to the brim,
and have incredibly long
waiting lists. Obviously, this
leaves me as well as currently
enrolled students, completely
out of the picture.
My reason for complaint is
that I feel Evergreen has the
responsibility of meeting the
needs of its students. There
has already been a legitimate
need established that has
been left unattended to. It
would be a complete waste of
time for myself as well as
many other individuals to
take on a course of study
which is not suitable to them.
Therefore, anyone reading
this, who finds themselves in
a similar situation please
contact me, and we'll try to
take some kind of action.
John-Jacob Hastings
A.S.H. P-146
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Briefly
Teatro del Piojo will be
performing on campus Dec. 4,
on the second floor lobby of
the library building at 2:30
p.m.
Teatro del Piojo is political
and cultural theater doing
acts, songs, plays and dances,
whose purpose is to try to
make people understand and
become aware of the Chicano
as a farmworker and as a
person living in white society.
Since most of the 17 people
performing in Teatro del Piojo
are compesinos, they will be
expressing the pain and
anguish of their experience,
and the experiences their
ancestors have had, living in
oppression.

Campus news
KAOS is broadcasting an
interview with David Hathaway, an American arrested in
Chile during the recent coup.
Air time is tonight at 8 p.m.

The Women's Center is
sponsoring a "Women and
Conffiet" workshop open to
8-12 women interested in
working with problems of
conflict resolution, and intragroup conflict in the Women's
movement.
The workshop is scheduled
for Dec. 5, at 7:30p.m. in the
Women's Center. A sign-up
sheet is on the Center door
(L3213) or call6162.

The seulpture lives workshop has been rescheduled for
Monday, Tuesday, and
Wednesday, Dec. 3, 4, and 5,
from 7 to 10 p.m. The
workshop is an introduction to
3 dimensions in a number of
different media, with emphasis on mold making for
eventual casting into more
permanent materials. Messy
Arts room, library basement.

Olga Rodriguez a speaker
from the Young Socialist
Alliance, will talk about
Watergate, Tuesday at 3 p.m.
in the second floor library
lobby.

Gary A. Knight, Assistant
Dean of the Claremont Grad uate School, will be on campus
Monday, Dec. 3, from 9 a.m.
to 12 noon, to discuss graduate opportunities at Claremont.
Anyone interested in talking to him can find him in CAB

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King County Executive
John Spellman, former
Seattle Mayor Dorm Braman
and north Seattle businessman Frank Ruano will be in a
panel discussion in Lecture
Ha112, Monday at 1:30 p.m.

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Midnight conversations:

Getting an interview
with Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
by Knute Olsson H. G. S.
Berger
and Tom Lenon
PIU"t one: The Northern Plains
Driving hard across the
Great Plains, 3 a.m., empty
stomach speeding on No-Doz
and coffee - dawn nowhere
in sight - no lights, no sky,
no land beyond the thin strip
of asphalt shooting into darkness just in front of headlights
- Alone, listening to the
radio drifting through static
and religion, fading to nothing
- the hum of the tires, the
hum, watching the dividing
line, dashed hypnotically, the
only movement on the Northern Plains.
It was in this atmosphere,
in this time and place that,
while my mind was roving
over everything I knew, I
came upon the idea to interview Kurt Vonnegut Jr. I suppose it was born out of fantasy
discussion, midnight conversation when one thinks about
famous people, when one
spends time with heroes, and
when one strikes up a chat
with these ...
"Yes Mr. Nixon, it's nice to
see you again. No sir, I don't
believe that you and J. Paul
Getty are homo
The
Shadow! Why I'd know that
hideous laugh anywhere. No
>ne but you could be the true
'error of the night . . ." And
on it goes.
I think of Kurt Vonnegut, a
writer. I suppose he comes to
mind as I sit interviewing him
on my new, successful talk
show - late night Cavett
competition. But the audience
and cameras fade and we're
sitting alone, talking about
ourselves, sipping coffee,
smoking Pall Malls, trading
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ideas, revealing secrets ...
"Yes Knute, I must confess
that I wrote all my books in
one night back in 1950 and
I've never touched a pen ... "
We trade intimacies, we trade
criticisms, and I listen write, photograph, record and listen.
But Vonnegut? Could I
really'! A well known contemporary writer? If not him,
who else'! Normal Mailer? No,
I don't feel like I know much
about Mailer. Saw him on
Book Beat and really ... Capote'! Good God, I'm not that
hard up. Updike? I don't know
him either. Roth, Bellow? Too
Jewish. I don't know much
about being Jewish. Who else?
Now if F. Scott Fitzgerald
were alive . . . but back to
reality.
Vonnegut is the only one I
know well enough. He seems
through his books to be accessible. I feel like I know him, a
little. I know where he Jives,
or used to (Barnstable, is that
in Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts?).
And so the plan evolves. It
becomes a real goal, not confined to midnight chats, not
even confined to the reality of
the road and car of now, but a
possibility when we reach the
coast.
PIU"t two: On the cape
Barnstable,
Vonnegut's
home for some years, is a
little town on Cape Cod, stuck
amid a hundred different
"Yarmouths" and "Falmouths", slightly northeast of
the Kennedys' Hyannis Port.
We've spent a few days on the
Cape, passing through the
empty resort towns of Provincetown, North Truro, and
South Wellfleet, and I've
avoided any thought of talking
with the man because he's so

close, and the time is coming
when I'll have to make my
first move.
We drive into Barnstable in
the early afternoon. I've gone
over the plans and possibilities in my mind and the idea
that I could talk with him,
meet with him, interview him,
seems more remote, more
foolish all the time. But I feel
committed to try, and there is
still a chance things may work
out. I've decided that approaching it as an interview
for the Cooper Point Journal
is the best way to do it, but
just what I'll say and how I'll
say it I still don't know.
I could try the casual, familiar approach: "Hi, this Mr.
V.'l Well, Vonnie, wanna
talk?" That fantasy exaggerates my fear of appearing
obnoxious to him. Maybe I
could be more professional:
"Mr. Vonnegut, I represent
the Cooper Point . . ." But
that doesn't sound special,
sympathetic enough. I consider whimpering.
Maybe I could combine the
two: "This Kurt? I thought it
might be quaint if you and I
got together for a chat. You
know yesterday Nabokov said
to me . . . " No, I'll have to
settle for something almost
painfully realistic: "Mr. Vonnegut, my name is ... and I'm
from the Evergreen State. . ."
And so I settle for that. It's
the only possible thing I could
blurt out in my increasing nervousness.
Once in Barnstable the first
thing to do is check out my
only lead, that at one time he
lived here, and he may still.
So, I go to a phone book and
slowly flip my way to the V's.
I'm very nervous now. If I
find "Vonnegut", I'll know I'll
have to make the caU, If I

don't find it, I'll be disappointed.
I find it: "Vonnegut, J ." It
doesn't say "Kurt" or "K", but
somewhere in the panic in my
mind I know that it is beyond
coincidence that there is
another Vonnegut family in
town, and I've forgotten his
wife's name.
Well, I make the call and
yes, it is Kurt Vonnegut's
residence. I forget to ask the
lady who she is, but I'm sure
it's his wife. Mr. Vonnegut is
living in New York now, and
he's asked that she not give
out his phone number or
address.
He doesn't give interviews
anymore; I'm too nervous to
be disappointed. I prod a little
more though, and she says,
''I'm sorry to be so discouraging, but I really doubt if he'll
talk to you. He gets this all
the time and he needs time to
do his work. He used to do
this kind of thing a lot. Well,
I'll give you his New York
address. I can't promise that
he'll be there. Maybe things
will work out."
I'm pleased, relieved, and I
thank her, and we head for
New York.
PIU"t three: I'm
no Barbara Walters
We get to New York a little
sooner than expected. We
leave the van in Connecticut
and take the bus. I've left all
my notes for the interview in
the van, so I arrive in the city,
by Greyhound, empty handed.
Putting together the notes
and questions will take time.
I write down the questions I
remember clearly, and there
is not nearly enough for a real
interview. It will take time to
get ready, and I have a little.
It's the weekend. There are
relatives to visit, museums to

see, time to buy. I could not
possibly go see him on the
weekend, so I decide on Monday or Tuesday.
So the weekend passes,
bright, cool, and sunny, and
I'm kept busy with all the
things to do in New York, if
you're lucky enough to be
there in good weather with
friends, and have a little
money. On Monday there are
some shops we plan to see, so
I think that I'll go over to the
address given to me in Barnstable and make sure it's
right. And when I get there,
when I find myself standing in
front of the small, cramped
apartment building, I know
that this is it.
I'd better do it now, or I
may never have the courage
to go back. Outside on the
street, near the stairs, is a
Hefty garbage bag, and
through the green plastic I
can see a letter to Vonnegut
from a fan in Queens. All
doubt leaves my mind, and I
know for sure that the
address is right, and not just
one to get rid of prying fans. I
know I'm there.
I go inside the first door. I
find myself in a little entryway between two doors. To
the right there is a row of
mailboxes on the wall. In the
end box, nearest the door, is a
slip of green paper, cut from a
personal check. It says "Kurt
Vonnegut Jr." I spend some
time examining it and the
other detail in the little room
as I stall for time.
I press the buzzer beneath
the box. I press it several
times, but there is no response. I can't help thinking
that he's in there somewhere,
hunched over his typewriter,
knowing it's me, and ignoring.
I hear the buzzer ringing
somewhere inside the apartment building, but no one
answers. I decide to leave a
note, which I write on a little
scrap of paper, saying what I
would say to him in person,
and I leave a phone number.
That is the best I can do.
I turn in the stuffy little
entry-way. The door opens,
and there he stands, coming
off the street, arms filled with

packages, curly brown hair
blown in all directions. It's a
brisk day, and he brings it in
with him. He has a serious, intense look, and he seems to be
wrapped up in that breathless, busy haste that is New
York.
I tell him that I was just
leaving him a note. He thanks
me and edges around to the
other door. I ask for a moment
of his time. He gives it, and
after my little speech he says
no to a dirty, young stranger
off the street. He apologizes,
turns, and leaves. So do I.
Out on the street I walk. I
pick up a Time magazine on
the new stand at the corner. I
read about Kurt Vonnegut's
appearance on T.V. with J acqueline Suzanne on Barbara
Walters' "Not For Women

West Side, I receive a phone
call from a relative of mine.
She tells me that through her
agent, an interview with
Vonnegut has been arranged
for Tuesday morning. It is to
be short, no more than four or
five questions, and it is to be
over the phone.
I tell her that I've gone to
see him and that he's said no.
I begin to worry. Will he remember my name and say no
again'! But, it's arranged, and
I am to call, early, for he's
only home in the morning.
So I call, and I interview,
and it goes like this:
Berger: Mr. Vonnegut, you
once said that for a writer to
be worth anything, he must
write in a way that even the
common man, the ordinary

no tradition there. And we've
contributed much recently to
the theatre. There's no advantage in being European
anymore. We read the same
things they do, so in a sense
we're really all Europeans.
Berger: Do you fit in anywhere'!
Vonnegut: Well, I don't
classify myself. That's for universities and that sort of
thing. Nobody wants to be
classified, and I don't know
where they've classified me.
It's a lot of bunk.
Berger: In Breakfast of
Champions you said that you
were ending a stage in your
writing. What next?
Vonnegut: I don't know.
What's next doesn't exist yet.
I just sit down at the typewriter every day and see

'/ just sit down at
the typewriter every day
and see what comes out.'
Only". There's a picture, and
he looks happy, trading quips
and smoking cigarettes. Gee,
I think, I may not be Jackie,
or Barbara Walters, but ...
Part four: Connections
The workings of a machine
may be secret, and it may be
important to the innocent that
they stay that way. But one
can appreciate the components of a machine, what they
are and what they do, and one
can take advantage of what a
machine does without intruding upon the intricate relation,ships between each part.
So it is with the intricate,
machine-like world of promises and commitments, and so
it is with the world of lawye'r~. agents, and their clients.

..

)

And it is because of these
workings, these relationships,
and · my connection to them,
however brief, that when I
arm.e back at the apartment
we're staying in on the Upper

man from Indianapolis could
understand what he is talking
about. Do you think you've
done this'!
Vonnegut: Well, I try to be
clear. Everyone does.
Berger: What about a book
like Breakfast of Champions?
Vonnegut: Well I doubt
that many drill press operators have read the book, nor
many members of the Teamsters Union. I don't know if
they'll understand it. I think
they'll read it when it comes
out in paperback, though.
They'll probably read it when
they're bored or something.
Berger: The American literary tradition is barely two
hundred years old. Do you
feel strongly a part of this
tradition, whatever it may be?
Vonnegut: The novel itself
isn't much older than that, so
we've been able to participate
fully in that aspect of the tradition. There were no Roman
or Medieval novels, so there's

what comes out. I'll have to
see what it is. I don't know.
And so, that was it. It was
all over. Naturally I think of
things I should have asked,
things I should have said. I'm
sure I could have asked more
questions, for he seemed surprised, pleasantly so, when I
cut it off. I knew without asking that he hated this sort of
thing and I'm not one to prolong agony. And I'm sure I
could have asked better questions. But, I did what I did,
and it's all over.
I'm tempted to draw a lot of
conclusions from this experience, but in the end the only
thing I know is that it
wouldn't have happened had I
not been driving hard across
the Great Plains, 3 a.m.,
empty stomach speeding on
No-Doz and coffee - dawn
nowhere in sight, no lights, no
sky, no land beyond the thin
strip of asphalt shooting into
darkness ...
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Editorial
Saving energy sensibly
As you may or may not have noticed, the "energy crisis" is
upon us. Government, business and science are having to find
methods by which to cope with the situation. Luckily enough
some of the methods being used and suggested are rational and
logical despite the hardships which some of them incur. At
Evergreen the heating for the swimming pool has been turned
off until at least Jan. 2. Swimming pools use up a tremendous
amount of heat energy.
Driving at 50 mph is rather annoying, however, other than
for truckers, it unfortunately makes alot of sense. Even
opening up government oil reserves to oil companies is
reasonable.
When President Nixon suggests however that anti-trust laws ·
should temporarily be suspended for the major oil companies in
the United States the line must be drawn. Does President
Nixon really wish to turn over the economy of the nation to the
monster that would rise from thP. corporate swamp if takt>n off

the leash of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?
It is good that the President wishes us to start using a wider
range of means to obtain energy. However the President seems
to fail to grasp the long term consequences of what he suggests.
His suggestion to liquify coal for use as a fuel is another winner.
Does the President wish to see the black smoke of burning coal
pollute our atmosphere for years to come? And what about
strip mining? President Nixon also failed to suggest use of, or
research into the use of new and previously unused means of
obtaining energy. We may very well be stuck with using the old
methods for the time being, but developing new ones must be
primary on our list of concerns.
We must cope with the "energy crisis", but at the expense of
allowing oil companies to run amuck with the economy or at the
cost of increasing the use of old methods which have proved
insufficient and detrimental to the environment.

Jill Fleming

Put trains on right track
GREYHOUND BUS BETWEEN SEATTLE AND
OLYMPIAI don't like buses. They
make me carsick. They smell.
I dislike all buses equally:
Greyhound, Trailways, even
the Peter Pan line in Massachusetts where each bus has a
name (Tinkerbelle, Captain
Hook).
And I dislike buses even
more when they go 50 mph.
Trains, now, are a completely
different matter. They can go
faster. They make fewer
stops. They don't smell.
The train is a more civilized
form of transportation. Train
stations, especially in larger
cities, are all marble and granite, high-ceilinged and awe inspiring. Going somewhere by
train gives you the feeling of
embarking on a journey in a
19th century sort of way, just
as departing by plane can give
you that feeling with a space
agt> twist. A bus though, is
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just a bus.
Train service in Western
Washington is abominable.
You can't catch a train in
downtown Olympia anymore.
Amtrak, which now handles
all passenger service in the
U.S., has only one run a day
scheduled to Seattle from
Olympia. It leaves at 10:39
a.m. for Seattle, while the
only Seattle-Olympia return
run leaves at 8:30 a.m.,
making it impossible to make
a round trip to the big city in
one day.
Catching a train in Olympia
is an adve-nture in itself.
There is no station; a shack
next to the tracks is the only
sign of a stopping point.
This magic spot is located in
East Olympia, which doesn't
mean the east side of town.
East Olympia is southeast of
Tumwater, near the OlympiaYelm road. More than one
new Evergreener has landed
out there under the impres-

sion that the train went to
Olympia proper.
If you can arrange to get to
the train tracks at the appointed time, the fare is
$2.50, 10 cents more than the
bus, but worth it to those who
like to move around, instead
of just sitting. The train trip
is shorter by 15 to 30 minutes
than the same bus trip.
It would seem reasonable in
the grey days before gas rationing is called for that Amtrak would start providing
better service to more people.
Trains have been, and still can
be, an enjoyable way to
travel. Trains use fuel twice
as efficiently as autos, and
five times more efficiently
than airplanes.
The Canadians have al}Vays
known the value of goQd ,train
service. It is not uncommon
' nt~ to
for Northwest residt
cross the continent''
. ! y rail
from Vancouver, B.C. o Montreal, instead of re1~f~ll
on
1 111 11

Amtrak.
If Amtrak would provide
regular service to Olympia
from both Seattle and Portland, I am sure it would be
utilized. Westerners have become accustomed to driving
their own cars everywhere
and are, to some extent, responsible for the lack of rail
service. Therefore, in the face
of fuel shortages, we need to
demand some changes.
Letters concerning Amtrak
and its operations should be
sent to Amtrak, c/o Mr.
Klauson, King Street Station,
3rd and Jackson, Seattle,
Washinrton.

E.L.S. on

stock
It is rather difficult to put
ones trust in a piece of paper
that claims to be worth
something, but can't buy a
drink in a bar after a lousy'
day at the office.

Cooper Point:

Planning for the future
by .!ill 1-'leming
Aftt•r l wo .n ·ars of 1•xtensive
plann111~. lt•gal hatlling, and
JUst pl;nn waiting on the part
uf ll'- propont'nt~. thl• Cooper
I '111nl I )pnsity I listri1·t Ordi n;~nt'l' will hl• hrought before
till' Thurston ('ounty Commis"illiWrs in a puhli<· hearing,
.Jan. 7, 197,1, at :1 p.m.
ThP ordinant'!' is I he result
of hard work on the part of
tht• ('oopN Point Ass<)l'iation
t('I'AI. a non -profit organization mad{' up of Cooper Point
n•sich•nts including many
EvNgreeners. The CPA was
formed to insure that the area
would not, through improper
use of zoning, hel'ome glutted
with shopping centers, and
that the voil·e of the residents
would he heard .
After formation of the CPA
in December of 1971. the
group hired a full time urhan
planner, Russ Fox (who has
smce become a TESC faculty
member) to help them develop
their now published Compre-

hensive Land Use Plan for
Cooper Point. The plan was
approved by the CPA, the
Thurston County Planning
Commission, and the county
commissioners.
It is the basis for the ordinance, currently up for approval, which will make law
the guidelines set forth in the
land use plan. Both plan and
ordinance are unique in that
they do not provide blanket
zoning of an area for an indef. inite future.
Zoning for need
This kind of zoning is often
vague and encourages growth
that might not have come
about naturally if left alone.
The CPA's ordinance would
provide for zoning says Fox,
"as the need arose" and will
be "based on site plan reviews."
The site plan review forces
a prnspel'live developer to ex-

plain exaclly how the land will
he used, and what impact it
will have on the environment
and thl• eommunity.
ll also requires that if
devl'lopers want to build,
thl'Y leavl' a spedfied amount
of OJWn spa('(• . The density is
dl'tl'rminl•d hy the amount of
"l'"n spat•(•. The higher the
dt•nsity, the more open space
is rPquin•<J. This is in accord ant'(' with one of the land usc
plan goals, "to preserve the
st'mi ruralopl'n space charactl•r of thl' t•nvironment".
H ( 'nopN Point was devol I'd l'ompll'tely to high dt•nsit.v housing it could,
undt'r thl• plan , at·commodate
75,000 pl•opll· and still have 40
pl•r <·ent of the land untouched
as opl•n span•. Since the legistat ure cut haek the projected
l'nrollment at E:vergreen, the
('P A may lower some of the
dl•nsities.
Compromise
"It is a compromise," said
Fox, "the densities are higher
I han mosl people would like."
('om promise was necessary
he feels though to make the
plan practical. The highest
density allowed is 12 family
units to an acre, with some
areas only permitted two to
an acre.
The CPA has been involved
in four court cases over zoning
of Cooper Point in the past
year. The most spectacular of
the four, By-the-sea, was a
plan to build condominiums
and high rise apartments at
the end of Cooper Point. The
co~nty planning commission's
"no" to the plan was reversed
Superior court, and was
t~en appealed to the State
sJr.reme court where, in a 9-0
'-' l•) '·
.
uCl'lston,
t he p Ianmng
comrhts4ion's ruling was upheld.
· Jn idghts of Neighborhoodti
, '· jh.is was a landmark de~igt~ in that it was the first
tilin• 'the legal right of neigh-

i'n ·

horhood groups to have a say
in what local land is used for
was recognized in court. The
<·ounty prosecutor's office was
<·hided hy the Supreme Court
for not representing the
rt•sidcnts of the county and
fort·ing the CPA to do so.
Thl• county prosecutor's
nHi<·e has heen less than helpLAND USE PLAN
PROPOSED
DENSITY
DISTRICTS
FOR
COOPER POINT

HIGH DENSITY

ful in getting the ordinance
through. It first claimed that
it was illegal to zone just part
of a county (it has since been
proven otherwise) and has of
late held up the hearing for
the ordinance in technicalities.
If the ordinance is approved
by the county commissioners
in January it will go into
effect within a week of the decision.
"The whole thing wouldn't
have happened if the developers hadn't made such ridiculous proposals" said Fox. If
they had been more reasonable, he feels the residents
would not have challenged
them.
A case yet to be decided
concerns 440 acres south of
the campus. The corporation
involved wants to put in 49
acres of shopping center, and
390 acres of multi-family hous-

ing. It would supposedly
house 3,850 people, which is
twice as many as the land use
plan would allow. The hearings concerning this land will
be in January.
Fox sees two major roles
for the CPA after the ordinance passes. The association
will need to work with the
county commissioners oveP.
site plan reviews, and it will
continue to be involved in
legal battles defending the
land use plan .
"We're the watchdog watching the planning commission,"
he said.
To become a member of the
CPA, send $1 to Cooper Point
Association, Route 15, Box
560, Olympia, 98502. Copies
of the Comprehensive Land
Use Plan for Cooper Point are
available from Russ Fox, Lab
2010, the above address, and
the bookstore for $2.
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Radio at Evergreen
•

KAOS expands, mov1ng
by Kevin Hogan
The face of KAOS is dramatically changing, according
to Etation manager Lee Chambers. KAOS will be expanding
soon in a move to improve
facilities to a point where
there is a resemblance to
what Chambers calls "real
radio". At present, the main
KAOS facilities consist of two
rooms; an office and the
·studio/record room.
Buried in the basement
next to ttie loading dock is the
News office, and the Special
Productions group got stuck
somewhere · in the Library
building. They have to commute between their offices
and the studio, and the studio
has to be shared between the
Music people and the News
people and the Special Productions people.
With the studio in constant
demand, and facilities limited
as they are, the people up at
KAOS have been "falling all
over themselves" trying to do
radio. Station manager Chambers feels that once the facilities have been expanded and
people have some room to
work in, the problem will
clear up and KAOS will
become "a professional credit
to the college."
Expanding KAOS
The KAOS expansion plans
call for the enclosure of the
lobby area outside the present
•Jtudio, the addition of soundproof production and control
•;tudios to complement the
present main studio. A record
1
room, listening area, and
office space are also included
in the plan. The tab for the expan•>ion will come to $8,049,
and i•; comlng from the building re!;erve fund as approved
by the trustees earlier this
year.
KAOS i!l also attempting to
.
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•;ecure approximately $6,000
of academic money to buy production materials for their
new facilities. This is in addition to the money already
funded to KAOS's operating
budget.
The main benificiaries of
the new facilities will be the
new•> and •Jpecial productions

man is being too modest ...
Recently he was shocked
into speechlessness while conducting an "on the street interview". When the person
complimented him on the
news program, an astounded
Hirshman replied: "You listen
to the news? You actually like
the news?"

'You actually like
the news?'
department•;, KAOS, in ito;
charter with the FCC (Federal Communication•; Commis•;ion) has a commitment as an
educational station to devote
35 per cent of its programming
to non-musical material. Being
a new station, KAOS hasn't
reached the 35 per cent level
yet, but is working towards
it, with approximately 20 per
cent of the present program
material non-musical in nature.
Radio news
The news department fills a
good portion of the non-musical requirement with half
hour broadcasts at 5:30 p.m.
and 10:30. Although national,
regional, and local news from
outside sources still make up a
large portion of the broadcasts, more and more of the
news is being produced on
campus, and KAOS is moving
towards independence in its
coverage of local news.
Many believe their campus
coverage to be the best of any
medium. News director Bill
Hirshman feels that they do a
good job, considering the
amount of equipment and facilities they have to work
with. It may be that Hirsh-

The news broadcasts are ,
impressive. The news, which
Hirshman says is patterned
after National Public Radio's
news shows, usually comes
across appearing quite professional, until the laughing
starts and they blow everything.
In a recent broadcast, the
final news story was totally
blown when anchorman Greg
Parkinson had a giddiness attack. The· anchorwoman tried
to patch it up and starts in
"And such are the times of
KAOS, November 26th . . .
I'm Debbie Shawver" ... and
the giggling momentarily sup-.
presses itself to let out a
snickering ''I'm embarrassed"
followed by the final avalanche of laughter and a deep
authoritative voice booming
in the background: "You're
fired, that's what you are!"
Specials dept.
The Special Productions department covers everything
that isn't covered by music or
news. Although the department is still growing and
awaiting new equipment and
facilities, the special produc-

tions people already produce a
nightly hour long program,
aired from eight to nine, in
addition to the KAOS Information Service, which follows
the evening news.
Special Producii<-'ns Director, Mary Lou Reslock, feels
the .role of special productions
is an educational one, letting
people know what is happening on campus, and getting
out and covering things of
special interest in the community. One of the major
handicaps affecting the special productions staff is equipment; there's not enough of it,
or the right kind . This
problem is expected to be resolved if the expansion and
equipment acquisition fall into
place as expected.
Power vs. equipment
There are people at KAOS
who feel a power increase
should take priority over
equipment acquisition. In a
recent KAOS meeting, former
Station Manager Dean Katz
suggested that consideration
should be given to buying a
new transmitter rather than
spending $6,000 on new equipment.
Station manager Lee Chambers feels that buying new
equipment should take priority over a power increase.
"Because you feel it's not important, doesn't mean it isn't"
says Katz, who is obviously
hungry for a larger audience.
Chambers tries to explain
that he wants a power increase just as much as everyone else, but the academic
deans won't pay academic
money for a transmitter, since
they feel a power increase will
do little to increase the learning value of working at
KAOS, but improved facilities
will, so they might be willing
to pay for equipping the new
studios.

towards rea I radio '
KAOS meetings
Every Monday at noon, all
th<• KAOS people meet to
tend to any problems or policies that need to be dealt
with. Most of the KAOS regular~ show up, along with a
fl'w "new" people.
Lee Chambers comes out
obviously upset, and starts
bitehing about people who
leave messes in the studio,
and he's tired of cleaning up
the messes of people who

don't put records away, break
rules, smoke and drink in the
studio, and cause all those
other pains one gets trying to
run a campus radio station.
This evolves into a forty
minute group discussion with
everybody giving their definition of what the problem is
and what the solution should
he, until everyone has said
their piece, and the discussion
runs out of energy before a

conclusion can be drawn.
The music director starts
talking about how a lot of
"new" people have just got
their provisional operator's
licenses, and they're hassling
him for air time, and seeing
how there's not many available time slots, some of the
regulars just might have to
share their time slots with
new people and do shows biweekly rather than weekly.

One of the regulars, whose
time slot includes the major
portion of Thursday nights,
objects to the idea, because he
feels that if they have to share
their shows, some of the regulars just might quit. The station manager defines the
problem as having too many
people who want to play rock
and roll, and that some people
might have to settle for something else.

Bre·a king into radio; a true story
Out in the real world, radio
is one of the hardest professions to break into. There are
a lot of unempiDyed Ron
Bailey School of Broadcasting
graduates running around.
It's a cutthroat competitive
business.
KAOS is no exception. The
road to becoming a KAOS
jock is full of switchbacks,
runarounds and dead ends.
That is, unless you find a
short cut. Getting the right
person high always helps.
What happens if you want
to do radio, is you're told to
attend a workshop so you can
get a provisional operator's license from the FCC. Then you
send away your application
and wait.
You make a demo tape demonstrating your ability to run
the board, but it really makes
little difference since they usually end up lost and unlistened to anyway.
You sit and wait for the
FCC to move its bureaucratic
ass. Two days later, a letter in
the mail. Amazing results!
It's your application sent
back with a form letter saying
it's incomplete because you
·forgot to sign your middle

initial. They actually have
form letters for such garbage.
You don't actually use a
middle initial, but you put one
in anyway and run down to the
post office to resubmit your
application. Then you wait
while they spend six to eight
weeks processing it.
Ask the music director
every week or so for some air
time, and get the word that
you have to have an operator's license to go on the air.
You know damn well there's
people on the air who haven't
even applied for an operator's
license, let alone received
one.
You know that there's unlicensed non -student inner
staff doing anywhere from six
to sixteen hours of radio a
week. But you don't mention
this for fear of blowing any
brownie points already accumulated towards getting on
the air. ,
Finally after months (or so
it seems) your license arrives.
You run up to the man and ask
him for some air time. He
can't tell you to wait for your
license, because you have it
with you.
's o he tells you there isn't

any time available. It's worth
a try to talk him into sharing
one of his two shows. If
there's a shortage of shows,
it's pretty hard for him to
justify having two shows.
He doesn't argue that, so he
says "O.K., you can have, I
guess, let me see, (You feel
like a vanquished native about
to inheirit a swamp in your
liberator's land redistribution
program) yeah, why don't you
do from 3:30 to 6 a.m. on Saturdays'!" Far out.
He follows up with an invitation to his birthday party at
the studio that night. (You're
really in now). If you're taking
requests, he'd like a pint,
preferably fifth of Jose Cuervo
Tequila.
He gets Cold Duck. On
Monday you get told you don't
have the 3:30 to 6 time slot.
Maybe the tequila would have
been worth it ...

Is it worth it?
After awhile, it's easy to
come to the conclusion that
for an outsider, getting into
KAOS isn't worth the hassle.
It isn't that there's anyone
who's really into hassling
people, it's just that a lot of
the energy that runs the
station is ego originated.

As one of the air personalities said after renewing his
non-renewable provisional license; "They wouldn't dare
get rid of me . . . I'm too
good."
So although there is a station policy that a. person can
only be on the air with a provisional for three months,
before having to take the test
for a third class license, like
most station policies, there is
little enforcement.
At the last KAOS meeting,
there was a discussion on
whether or not KAOS should
loan out its equipment. Someone makes the statement that
one of the implied goals of
KAOS is that they should
strive to be human.
Program Director Chris
Altwegg points out that being
human doesn't mean they
have to loan out equipment. A
policy is made not to loan out
equipment.
Minutes later equipment is
being loaned out of the studio.
But it should be understood
that function of rules for any
organization such as KAOS is
expedience. They apply only
when applied. That's how it is
and probably as_it ~ould be._
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OLYMPIA
Friday Nite Movie, '1'he
Grand Illusion" and "Hiroshima - NagaSilki - August,
1945." TESC Lecture HaUl, 7
and 9:30 p.m., tonight, 50
<·enls admission.
Olympia Lillie Theater presents "Dark At the Top of the
Stairs". Friday and Saturday
al8 p.m.
Wednesday Night Films,
"Boy" and short ".lllDIIDing
the Blues". Lecture Hall 1,
TESC, 7:30p.m. on Dec. 5.
Movies: Stale Theater;
"Oklahomll Crude" and "Without Apparent Motive". Capitol Theater; "Roundabout"
and "Sounder". Olympic
Theater; "Jesus Christ Super-

star".
Evergreen Jazz Ensemble
llDd Chamber Singers - In
the Library, Tues., Dec. 4 at 8
p.m.
Evergreen Chamber Orchestra - 8 p.m. on Dec. 5, in
the Library.
Theater and Dance Group
Contract - Performing "AUee
Through the Looking Glass"
Dec. 6- 8 at 8 p.m. in the Recreation Center (Multipurpose
Room.) Student matinee at 2
p.m.
"Coppelia"staged by the
Olympia Ballet Guild. Tonight
and tomorrow at 8 p.m., Sun.
at 2:30 p.m. At Theatre Art
Nouveau, 911 East Fourth St.
$1.25 students, $2.50 others.
Twenty -five photographs
by Don Worth - Presented
by the Visual Environment
Group, thru Dec. 7, in the
Library.
Folk Dancing (TESC) every
Sunday in the Multipurpose
Room and on Tuesday on the
2nd floor of the CAB. Everyone. welcome, teaching in (·luded.

SEATTLE
fanned Heat and Dan Hicks
and His Hot Licks - Tomorrow. X p.m. at Paramount
Northw('st.
New He~&l Rhythm Band
and the ( •ne- Reel Vaudeville
Show
Tomorrow, H p.m. at
tlw Showhox, First Ave . near
l'ik<· St .
lee Capades f<'aturing
Kart•n Magnusst>n . Tonight at
H p.m., tomorrow at 2 and 8
p.m .. Sunday al 2 and 6 p.m.
Seallll' Colisl'Um, tickets $3to
$5.
J. S. Bach "Magnifie~&t" performed hy <·hoirs and orchestra at St. Mark 's Cathedral in
Seallle, 1245 lOth Ave. E.
Sunday at 8 p.m., tickets $2
students, $3.50 others.
"The Beggar's Opera" at
Skid Road Show Theater, 102
Cherry St. Tonight at 8 p.m.
and tomorrow al8:30 p.m.
"Five on the Black Hand
Side" at Black Arts/West
Theater. Tonight and tomorrow at8:30.
Helen Reddy and the Pointer
Sisters - At Seattle Center
Arena, Fri., Dec. 7 at 8:30
p.m. Tickets $3.50 to $5.50
and available at the Bon
Marche and outlets.
Movies: "Jimi Hendrix"
(UA Cinema 70); "Executive
Action" (Cinerama); "O'Lueky
Man"(Neptune); "Siddhartha"
(Varsity); "The New Land"
(Harvard Exit).
TACOMA
Tacoma Choral Society performs Handel's "Messiah" at 4
p.m., Dec. 4 at Mason Methodist Church.
Tim McKamey and Greg
Deer - Seattle folk duo, at
Court "C" Coffeehouse, 914
Broadway (downtown). Tonight, 9 p.m., 50 cents.
(Villa Pla1.a Cinema II); "The

Way We Were" (Villa Plaza
Cinema I) ; "Love Swedish
Style" and "The House"
t( :ameo Adult Theater) .
PORTLAND
lvl' Lola Ribar, state dancers of Yugoslavia - Tonight,
H: 15, at Civi<· Auditorium.
"Tarzan, the Ape Man" l'r<'st>nlt>d hy the Northwest
Film Study Center at the
l'orlland Art Museum . Tomorrow al8.
Helen Reddy and the

Pointer Sisters - Thurs.,
Dec. 6 at 7 and 10 p.m. Civic
Auditorium and tickets from
$tlto $6.
Doe Severinsen with the
Oregon Symphony Orchestra
- Sat., Dec. 8 at 8:30 p.m.,
Sun., Dec. 9 at 3 p.m. Civic
Auditorium and tickets from
$<1.50 to $6.50.
Camerawork Gallery presents works by Tom Howard.
Thru Dec. 15. 2255 NW
Northrup St.

CBS 'Cry Rape!'
disappointing
Cry Rape! this week's CBS
Tuesday made-for-TV movie
was heralded in advance as a
progressive look at the problem of rape and promised to
raise our rape awareness two
points.
The opening scenes were
good and raised my expectations for the rest of the movie.
It began with a rape scene,
the subsequent interrogation
of the victim, her physical
examination, and the me~tal
anguish she suffered.
There were scenes with
other ra~ victims and tll~lr
husbands and lovers, witl}:·ihe
men displaying attitudes (tOm
rage, to suspicion that the
women led the rapist on. The
good part stopped there.
Except for some realistic
court scenes, once the suspect
was apprehended the whole
show plummented downhill
into a standard cops and
robbers schtick. The movie
turned from women as victims
of rape, to an innocent boy
wrongly being held because

he had an identical "twin" out
in the community raping and
plundering.
The mistaken identity ploy
was even more ridiculous
because, besides the identical
looks and build bit, the
innocent one could never
account for his time. The
whole thing was twice as
nauseating due to the build-up
the show had before it was
aired as a movie about the
realities of rape. Instead we
get a bunch of male heroes,
several women who are made
to look foolish, and for bonus
points we have a chase scene
on foot through a junk yard
complete with an ageing cop
on the verge of a heart attack.
The portion of the show
that dealt with rape was
admittedly good. I hope it
opened a lot of people's eyes.
It is disappointing that a
subject of this importance got
buried in the standard cops
and robbers fare. Better luck
next time.
Jill Fleming
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